Wimbledon 1987 – Navratilova vs Graf

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  • By comedywriter666, August 11, 2010 @ 10:38 pm

    @Hoffenheim08 You say that Graf was “the most popular.” Well, guess what, Sabatini had her beat in that department. In almost every match that they played, the crowds were always much more so pro-Sabatini.

  • By Hoffenheim08, August 11, 2010 @ 10:58 pm

    @alin1975
    I don’t feel the need to reply to every comment where people like other players.
    But now and then I comment on posts where fans suggest their fave were “the best ever” or “had the best forehand ever” and such.

  • By alin1975, August 11, 2010 @ 11:02 pm

    @Hoffenheim08

    The reason I said you seem threatened is because you feel the need to reply to any comment where people like other players – even when Graf is not mentioned. Just an observation.

    You brought popularity into this not me. I simply answered your post.

    I do not regard Graf as the best ever and, as you well know from the debates we had elsewhere, I can more than make my case for it.

    So, since you replied to me… “live with it” made a heck of a lot more sense when I said it.

  • By Hoffenheim08, August 11, 2010 @ 11:59 pm

    @alin1975
    You seem to feel threatened by me suggesting that Steffi was far more popular than your precious Navratilova.
    Well – live with it!

  • By Hoffenheim08, August 12, 2010 @ 12:57 am

    @alin1975
    “Threatened”? LOL!
    By whom? By people like you??? Don’t be silly.

    Popularity is not an irrelevant factor.
    And in Graf’s case being the best and the most popular were totally related.

  • By Nicklas4500, August 12, 2010 @ 1:47 am

    @alin1975 Spot on :)

  • By alin1975, August 12, 2010 @ 2:27 am

    @Hoffenheim08

    And since you seem prone to misunderstanding everything. This was your original statement:

    “It must be´╗┐ so galling for you that Steffi was far more popular than Navratilova”

    And the answer to that is: not in the slightest. You might as well boast that she wears a bigger shoe size or takes a bigger dump in the morning. Its such an absurd statement to make, I wanted to give you the scenic route first, but since my points fell on deaf ears, here is your direct response.

  • By alin1975, August 12, 2010 @ 3:14 am

    @Hoffenheim08

    No… I stated that popularity is an irrelevant factor. Plenty of amazing players that were not particularly popular.

    Also, I pointed out the flaw in the way you discounted Kournikova’s popularity.

    Being the best and being most popular are not necessarily the same thing, and often they are totally unrelated.

    I have no idea why you get so threatened when someone likes another player than your idol, but I would suggest you learn to live with it.

  • By Hoffenheim08, August 12, 2010 @ 3:46 am

    @alin1975
    Do you question that Steffi was far more popular than Navratilova?
    Or that Steffi won all popularity polls in the end-90s against Kournikova??

  • By alin1975, August 12, 2010 @ 3:59 am

    @Hoffenheim08

    Really? Its like 5 posts down.

    Now, I enjoy talking to you too, but this is ridiculous :P

  • By Hoffenheim08, August 12, 2010 @ 4:50 am

    @alin1975
    What were your points?

  • By alin1975, August 12, 2010 @ 5:09 am

    @Hoffenheim08

    They are irrelevant as a reply to what I wrote.

    If you think they bear some sort of universal relevance, by all means share them with the world. But, if you reply to something I wrote, it would be nice if it vaguely addressed the points I made :)

  • By Hoffenheim08, August 12, 2010 @ 6:04 am

    @alin1975
    My posts are never irrelevant.

  • By alin1975, August 12, 2010 @ 7:02 am

    @Hoffenheim08

    Either you have not read what I wrote, or you have failed to understand what I said.

    Either way, your post is irrelevant.

  • By Hoffenheim08, August 12, 2010 @ 7:25 am

    @alin1975
    In 1996, a world-wide poll was conducted for the “Most Favourite Tennis Player”. The results were as follows:
    1) Steffi Graf (38%)
    2) Pete Sampras (19%)
    3) Andre Agassi (18%)
    4) Gabriela Sabatini (15%)

  • By alin1975, August 12, 2010 @ 7:28 am

    @Hoffenheim08

    Hey only a month later

    You do know Sabatini was pretty much the wet dream of the 90’s no?

    As for your point, please show me the study that concludes that Steffi’s fans were primarily avid and inspiration-drawing. Similarly show me the study that shows that Martina’s fewer fans were not proportionally more avid and inspiration-drawing

    Plus popularity has nothing to do with tennis greatness. In the women’s department it seems to be linked with looks, the shallowest of attributes

  • By Hoffenheim08, August 12, 2010 @ 7:47 am

    @alin1975
    Most “Kournikova fans” didn’t follow her faves tennis career. They were teens who only drooled over Anna pics.
    With “popular” I meant fans who follow a player’s career avidly, draw inspiration from her game and her on- and off-court behaviour.
    And in that department Steffi Graf was unique. In the late 80s and 90s only Sabatini came close (for a few years).

  • By Hoffenheim08, August 12, 2010 @ 8:17 am

    @doetim
    Er, and where do Evert, BJK, Carillo, Collins and Tennis Magazine come from?
    USA or Germany?
    And Navratilova?
    And Graf?
    Food for thought …

  • By doetim, August 12, 2010 @ 8:17 am

    @selesfan30 Well all these people have said variations of what we’re saying here. At some point all of them have said that MN is the greatest but they say different things all the time. I have heard myself that Carillo and King have said that MN is the greatest.

  • By selesfan30, August 12, 2010 @ 8:30 am

    Actually I am pretty sure Billie Jean King said the same thing, Graf greatest in singles, Martina greatest in singles + doubles. Chris I think said Serena was the greatest ever, LOL! Collins changes his mind all the time so who knows what he thinks now.

  • By selesfan30, August 12, 2010 @ 9:25 am

    @doetim Mary Carillo said Graf was the greatest singles player ever, but Martina best combining singles and doubles.

  • By Summon256, August 12, 2010 @ 10:07 am

    @selesfan30 the greatest of all time is Margaret Court…period…

  • By doetim, August 12, 2010 @ 10:33 am

    Chris Evert, Billie Jean King, Mary Carillo and Bud Collins all have said that Martina Navratilova is the greatest player ever. When Tennis magazine did their Greatest Issue, MN came on top of Graf, Graf was second I think.

  • By alin1975, August 12, 2010 @ 11:32 am

    @Hoffenheim08

    Popularity… the old “eat shit 50 billion flies cant be wrong” argument. This would have made Kournikova a major star and Beckham the best footballer.

    As always your case is infallible :D

    Still though, not even sure why you brought popularity into this. Are you upset by the way I answered the other forum troll? Because if so, please look at how that discussion got started.

  • By alin1975, August 12, 2010 @ 11:40 am

    @Hoffenheim08

    Popularity… the old “eat shit 50 billion flies cant be wrong” argument. This would have made Kournikova a major star and Beckham the best footballer.

    As always your case is infallible :D

    Still though, not even sure why you brought popularity into this. Are you upset by the way I answered the other forum troll? Because if so, please look at how that discussion got started.

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